Shopping for a new bike to you bike, the pitfalls, the challenges and the questions

It's been a long time since I have had to shop for a motorcycle, but now that I am there, I thought I would share with you some of the challenges one faces.<br /> <br /> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="float: left; margin-right: 1em; text-align: left;"><tbody> <tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOI6cWNPWX4MGm5wgHvtkKnfkqb1kLazCDjd55gsXI7UDp103K0zR9c8QlFZQAmzyzJLqP8h-FVgiOuLClWAFW3Z3INIaXMQQ6mluyfhyphenhyphenBuqxqmJ-YiXOurw9fpu9Lvj40R0Pr/s1600/100_2552.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" height="240" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjOI6cWNPWX4MGm5wgHvtkKnfkqb1kLazCDjd55gsXI7UDp103K0zR9c8QlFZQAmzyzJLqP8h-FVgiOuLClWAFW3Z3INIaXMQQ6mluyfhyphenhyphenBuqxqmJ-YiXOurw9fpu9Lvj40R0Pr/s1600/100_2552.jpg" width="320" /></a></td></tr> <tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">On my trusty old Street Glide</td></tr> </tbody></table> </div> Now I am in a unique situation compared to many. Firstly, it's riding season and as a reporter I need to be out there, getting the stories, the videos and the interviews. I have a week to find a bike and get things wrapped up with insurance so I can afford the bike I need.<br /> <br /> My needs are specific. Tour Pack, Hard Bags and comfort for the long haul.<br /> <br /> I need a bike with reasonably low mileage, as I am a high mile rider and I need warranty that is really decent because I can't afford to be down long when crap happens.<br /> <br /> I also don't have deep pockets contrary to the thoughts of many. Because of the Sturgis North Lawsuit for defamation that I am fighting, I have to watch <b>EVERY PENNY</b> I spend and from here on in that is going to become even more so, to ensure I can pay a lawyer to prove my innocence.<br /> <br /> What I get from insurance and every bit of my overdraft is what it will take to get me into a ride that has what I need. I have no delusions about getting the ride I want - that just isn't happening on my budget.<br /> <br /> <b>I am not a brand snob</b>. I loved my Street Glide, but I have been looking at Victory's, BMW Sport Touring bikes, and Harley's. I ruled out most imports like Ducati and Aprilia and sadly even the BMW simply because of where I live and the lack of services available on those brands.<br /> I considered Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki, but they just don't appeal to me at all and all for a variety of reasons. There are some limitations to those brands that are deal breakers for me.<br /> <br /> I want to stick to brands that can be serviced where I live not 5 hours away like in Edmonton.<br /> My husband is well versed on HD's so I wouldn't have to always go to Edmonton for my service work if I bought an HD, but I am leaning toward a Victory as Gaudin's Honda sells them and I have a good relationship with Alan, the owner.<br /> <br /> <b>BUT, it also comes down to what I can afford to spend.</b><br /> <br /> The way I see it right now, after all of my investigations, it is a duke it out comest between the Victory Cross Country Tour and The Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic and a few private sale Street Glides I have found.<br /> <br /> I have spoken to over 30 dealers from the BC coast to Ontario and even a couple of American ones.<br /> I have spent countless hours on Kijiji, Autotrader , etc., researching prices , etc., and speaking to different owners.<br /> <br /> What I have experienced in this process, that is far from over, has left me wondering what in the HE DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS <b>has happened to customer service and the art of sales and negotiation</b>.<br /> <br /> In my searching, I first decided to call every dealer that is connected to our <a href="https://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=bustedknucklechronciles,com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=dZSIU_nuA8TY8gfSvoDYDQ#q=bustedknucklechronicles.com&rls=en&spell=1"><span style="color: red;">newspaper</span></a> and the <a href="http://www.beltdrivebetty.com/community/little-black-book"><span style="color: red;">Rider Friendly Business Association</span></a>. I started with the H-D shops because I did so love my Street Glide and hoped to find a good used one. Not happening right now at least, a new one starts at $28,000+ and there are very few used ones around and when they can be found they average $24,999 before taxes etc.  Way out of my budget. The Street Glide is the most popular touring bike Harley makes!<br /> <br /> Everyone of the RFBA dealers I takes to has been helpful, although only a few have had any kind of used inventory to discuss.<br /> <br /> I called a central Alberta dealer, the salesman never even asked my name, just did his best to sell me on a 2014 Project Rushmore Street Glide.  Only $14,000 out of my price range.<br /> <br /> I called two southern Alberta dealers, one was attentive and sympathetic but really had no used inventory to discuss and was diplomatic enough NOT to bring up the new bikes and financing.<br /> <br /> The other tried to put me on a Slim, not taking into consideration any of my physical needs and never asked for my name.<br /> <br /> I called north central dealers and one didn't have the time of day for me based on the dollar amount I had to spend and the other has gone above and beyond in trying to aid me.<br /> <br /> I did not give my local dealer a call but I did check out their used inventory on line.<br /> There was nothing there for me.<br /> <br /> I tried 7 BC dealers, one was just straight up front that they had nothing on the floor for used inventory, another who didn't ask my name tried to put me into a Slim and then told me that the dollars I had wouldn't put me into anything close to what I want. He actually inferred that I wanted too much for the money I have - well maybe so, but I will keep looking thanks...<br /> <br /> Three others have bent over backwards trying to find something they could put me in and are looking at options for me and one didn't even have the decency to call me back.<br /> <br /> Of the three who are working with me, one admitted that the 2010 Ultra with 4,000 KM's on it is the best deal for me and that he couldn't come close to touching it unless I wanted a custom painted Ultra which is not very practical for a gal who seldom has time to wash her own bike, I'd destroy the $10K paint job on it in a year.<br /> <br /> I spoke to three dealers in Ontario and only one has really listened and is doing their best to see what they can do for me with numbers.<br /> <br /> So far in the HD department I have l bike that is really close to my budget (About $1,400 out of my reach), and two I don't have numbers on yet, I should have them today.<br /> <br /> In the Victory Department, I spoke to several dealers and the problem there is a total lack of used inventory and I cannot really afford the new non current bikes either, they are all $5-6,000 out of my budget range.<br /> <br /> <b>Now for the questions I have asked about the bikes I have been looking at and some of the comments from some of the sales people...</b><br /> <br /> Here is how I started pretty much every conversation unless I KNEW the sales person on the other end of the line.<br /> <br /> Hi there (salespersons name if they gave it), I am looking for a used touring bike.<br /> I need a motorcycle with a tour pack and hard bags. I would like a bike that either has or can have extended warranty on it. I ride a lot, average 20,000 K per year,  and would like to find something with lower KM's on it and preferably (in the case of the H-D's) 2010 or newer so I am on the new frame style.<br /> <br /> Q: What kind of mileage is on the bike?<br /> A: I'm not sure, but it's an immaculate bike, blue and silver in colour.<br /> <br /> Q: Does it have a tour pack?<br /> A: No it doesn't<br /> <br /> Q: What does the warranty cover?<br /> A: Oh, you know, everything the manufacturer's doesn't and more.<br /> <br /> These were the craziest of the answers I got to some of my questions.<br /> <br /> And why is it every salesperson save two asked me what colour I wanted first instead of talking about the equipment I need. I don't care what colour it is, I don't ride the colour.<br /> <br /> For people who are so desperate to sell you something, why is it they don't try to build a relationship with you?  I couldn't believe how many people never asked my name - that BLEW me away!<br /> <br /> I am NOT BRAND LOYAL but I could be dealership loyal, if people care to earn my business. <br /> Just because I don't have a lot to spend now doesn't mean that someday soon I won't. So far three dealerships are trying really hard to earn my business. 3 out of 30 and then these dealers wonder WHY so many people go south of the border to buy.<br /> <br /> My business is one that is supported solely by advertisers and I never get a chance to do much in the way of sales calls because of admin time, writing, editing etc and the charitable work we do here at Belt Drive Betty Media.  I start training two sales people this weekend so that this business can grow and do more.  As it grows, I can see my way clear to buying the bike of my dreams, but for now, they are all out of my reach - this is truly a hunt for the bike I need, not the one I want.<br /> <br /> On the private sale end of things there have been a few interesting machines out there but the owners don't seem to be willing to budge on prices and they want all the money for their machines and then some.<br /> <br /> It's riding season and so I am going to pay a premium price for any used bike if I want to ride and do my job this season.<br /> <br /> I will fill you in on this epic hunt as it blossoms into a new to me ride.<br /> <br /> If you are blessed enough to be riding today, please remember to ride like everyone around you is blind and cannot see you, and please consider dressing for the slide, not the ride.<br /> <br /> Belt Drive Betty<br /> Editor & Rider<br /> <br />

Shopping for a new bike to you bike, the pitfalls, the challenges and the questions

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It's been a long time since I have had to shop for a motorcycle, but now that I am there, I thought I would share with you some of the challenges one faces. On my trusty old Street Glide Now I am in a unique situation compared to many. Firstly, it's … Read more »

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All gravel roads are not created equal + Freedom of the Press Poker Run & Rally Update

When you are on a big touring bike, gravel is not something you really want to be riding on. <br /> <br /> Unfortunately this past weekend on the Freedom of the Press Defense Fund Poker Run and Rally, out by Mulhurst Bay, our ride captain missed his turn and we all ended up on a gravel road and the gravel was very loose.<br /> <br /> I got caught in some loose stuff and went down, and that would have been bad enough on its own, but then another rider hit me from behind.<br /> <br /> <br /> <iframe allowfullscreen="" frameborder="0" height="450" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/HtmFnG1PWyo" width="600"></iframe><br /> <br /> The damage to the FXR(Corrected from DYNA) he was riding was pretty severe as he bent the front forks, the handle bars and damaged the tank. He ended up with a severely swollen hand as well.<br /> <br /> My bike didn't fare too well either. The front fender was damaged and the crash bar took four guys to pull it back so that the floor board could be pulled down and the fairing separated and is pretty scared up. The bike could have been ridden if it hadn't been rear ended.<br /> <br /> He hit me hard enough that the back fender was driven into the tire and could not be pulled away from the tire enough for the wheel to turn without binding.  It took 5 guys to load the bike on a trailer because that back tire just kept skidding.<br /> <br /> I have ridden gravel roads before, they are not my favourite thing at all, but hard packed gravel I don't mind near so much, like the Top of the World highway, although very challenging and nerve wracking on a touring bike, I rode it very successfully.<br /> <br /> I had another occasion, riding with the Regina CAV, where we ended up on a loose gravel road and I caught a ridge and the front end of the bike started swinging violently, but by talking to myself to keep my hands soft, elbows down and rolling on the throttle gently, I was able to pull myself out of it.<br /> <br /> I did not get so lucky this time, it happened too fast.<br /> <br /> Loose stuff like we were on is treacherous and as you can see from the footage below it happens so fast.<br /> <br /> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> This road had tons of washboard on it and the gravel was not packed down yet from vehicle travel. No one was very happy to be on it, that was for sure and our ride captain felt like crap about it.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I am going to say it again folks, crashes happen and they can happen to anyone and they happen fast.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Because we were wearing proper riding gear, we seem to have come through relatively unscathed.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> My Draggin' Jeans prevented road rash and although I did end up with a nice bruise on my thigh, the jeans don't have a mark on them!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> My new Viking Cycle Jacket from Motorcycle House did its job and again, it's hardly any worse for the wear.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> My chest is sore where I took the right hand grip of my handle bar in the chest and I am stiff from head to toe today, but I am alive and will ride again and that's what matters.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> The other rider is also going to be OK, while he suffered a very swollen left hand, and is stiff and sore, he too will ride another day.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> The Freedom of the Press Poker Run and Rally was a huge success for something that was organized and promoted in such a short space of time. It was a bit disorganized, and frantic, but successful.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> The Poker Run generated $1300.00.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Orland from the CAV won first place and donated his $300 back to the cause and Yvonne Walsh donated half of her second place $200 to the cause.  I don't off the top of my head remember who won 3rd place's $150 and not because he didn't donate anything back, but because I simply can't remember and haven't had time to go through the paperwork.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> The poker run generated $1150.00 towards the cause.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> We made $90 selling 50/50 tickets and another $160 from burger sales.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I was also given $570.00 in straight donations.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> The silent auction generated another $915.00 for a total of $2,885 raised! </div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> We were so late getting back in that some of my volunteers had to leave and we didn't sell much for 50/50 tickets.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> By the time I paid for fuel to have the electric bed that was donated by Mark LaFountain delivered to Doug Jenson,  the DJ, printing and a few other small expenses to put the run on and paid for fuel, in a borrowed truck to get me and my ride home, the total netted was $2150.00</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> We also sold some $700 in tee shirts but that money is going straight to the tee shirt guy!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> The silent auction for Doug Jenson generated $430 and I delivered the money to the man personally along with a few gifts.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> He has asked that I thank everyone who cared enough to contribute - he deeply appreciated the helping hand.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> All in all it was a very successful run in spite of the crash.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> The showing of support by so many people over the course of the day blew me away.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I want to thank Justin King for putting on a stunt show for us, everyone loved the show!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Clarence and the gang from Blackjack's Roadhouse in Nisku - what a great job everyone! </div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Thank you to all of the staff who looked after we riders so well.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Blair Weber, our ride captain, in spite of the missed turn, he did a great job.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> To my brothers and sisters form the CAV who manned three of the poker run stops, THANK YOU!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Tracy Nessler who helped me out at the event in the morning selling 50/50 tickets - thank you!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I want to say a special thank you to Cori from Steel Horses Photography and her cousins, the Dinning's, who lent me a truck and trailer to get home with. You guys went above and beyond!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I love this community and your support means far more than words will ever be able to express.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I will be doing a proper write up for the Busted Knuckle to acknowledge our sponsors and all of the supporters that I can remember. The day was such a blur!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> To see photos from the day visit Steel Horse Photography's <a href="https://www.facebook.com/steel.horses.7/media_set?set=a.716037188440179&type=1"><span style="color: red;">Facebook Page</span></a>!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I need to sign off now as I have to go the hospital to get checked out and the RCMP station to file my written report.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I will let you all know what the fate of my bike is and whether or not I will be riding the rest of the season or not.  Although I have collision coverage, the bike is 7 years old and all I will be getting is fair market value if it is a write off and I will never be able to replace the glide if that's the case.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> I will also follow up with the other rider to see how he fared.  </div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> It was a crappy thing to have happen but it could have been far worse!</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Have a great Monday everyone and watch this coming week's Busted Knuckle Chronicles for the article on the Freedom of the Press Poker Run & Rally.</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> If you are blessed enough to be riding today, please ride like everyone around you is blind and cannot see you and please consider wearing good riding gear, you just never know when it will be your turn to slide instead of ride...</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Belt Drive Betty</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> Editor & Rider</div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"> <br /></div> <br />

All gravel roads are not created equal + Freedom of the Press Poker Run & Rally Update

Belt Drive 6 1:28 PM

When you are on a big touring bike, gravel is not something you really want to be riding on. Unfortunately this past weekend on the Freedom of the Press Defense Fund Poker Run and Rally, out by Mulhurst Bay, our ride captain missed his turn and we a… Read more »

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